Books

  • William A. Albrecht, Ph.D: Soil Fertility & Animal Health
  • Neal Kinsey: Hands On Agronomy
  • Michael Astera: The Ideal Soil Handbook
  • Andre Voisin: Soil, Grass and Cancer
  • Pat Coleby: Natural Farming
  • Jerry Brunetti: Anything by Jerry Brunetti
  • Gary F. Zimmer: The Biological Farmer

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January 11, 2009

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Barb

That's not the lab that's stirred up so much fuss over their recommendations is it? Oh, no I think that is "Probitas." ??

Barb

Richard Woolley

Barb I suggest you contact Peter Lester at Quantum Laboratories in New Zealand he has his own lab & has been involved in the Albrecht system since the early 70's and has had to withstand the NPK onslaught ever since. I worked with him for a number of years & there were a number of amazing outcomes.
Richard Woolley
http://www.quantumlab.co.nz/

Val  Coker

Ever looked at the New Zealand Web sight
calmhealthyhorses.com or seen the DVD
Changes in the grass make changes in the Horse?

Jodie

Hi, just reading all about the issues with soil and sick horses etc. Just thorought i would let you know you are not alone on this. I am in NSW, and i have two horses with idiopathic headshaking, basically a potassium overload from incorrect grasses and superphosphate. My soil was so out of balance a severe mineral imbalance was the end result for these poor horses. I am not in the process after 3 soil tests of rebalancing the soil, and ive started seeding safe horse grass. But the posts above are right, i needed to get the soil right first to get the grass right and then my horses. The problem that we have is the potassium is so high in the horses diet they were getting so much that it was binding the calcium and the magnesium, both horses basically lost the plot and my normally calm and sensible stockhorse became very ill and out of control and even to the point he developed EMS and just continued to gain weight at a rapid rate, putting strain on everything. They also both presented with imflamation up their noses around the sinus cavity area. They were removed from the offending pasture, the stockhorse has been on dirt now for around 26 weeks, sad to see a horse that cant eat grass, thats what they do, but until i can get the grass and soil right it is just far to dangerous for them to be out there, and i would rather then be bored then in pain. The breakthrough came from Gotcha Equine in VIC.
I certinally hope you now have all your pastures under control.

Barb

Richard, so nice to hear from you! We seem to be few and far between! This blog is very outdated as I've put my energy into, well, writing a book on growing hay and grass that won't kill horses. That project too, is somewhat on hold as outdoor activities are taking precedence (it's been a very long, cold spring!) Copper is always an issue for me because I've yet to see an Oregon hay analysis with sufficient Cu for any class of livestock. And we kept putting it on, but the hay keeps going lower. It seems we have an excessive amount of OM that may be tying it up. It seems that growing good livestock hay, where no wild grazers ever existed, is an occupation that requires considerable strategy! This spring I will be trying some foliar Mg and P - to see how the hay is affected. It has been so stinkin' cold for the 3rd spring in a row, that I think the microbes are just not active enough. I am planning some experiments with fresh forage analysis on this, plus equating Brix readings with sugar content in the fresh forage. I should definitely post the results here. Hope to hear from you again!

Richard Woolley

How come it took so long for me to come across your web site. Perhaps because I have been so busy preaching the gospel of Albrecht myself. I have found people seem to find it easier to race off down the track of fixing the problem instead of the cause or as Albrecht said himself "spiting nature instead of working with it".
The grass WSC and specific mineral Mg & Cu seem to be the topics of focus at the present or element deficiencies rather than perhaps element excesses, antagonists.
Without addressing soil fertility first in respect of plant & animal health you could say we will always be shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.
Great stuff
Richard Woolley

Jerald

Maintaining a horse needs lot of commitment and responsibility, even the smallest thing should be taken good care of. Using the best and nutritious horse supplements is the best way to keep the horse healthy and fit.

Amanda Nicholas

Hi Barb and Michael, im writing this the day after i received my copy of the book about the ideal soil, im sending my tests off this week. I havnt put the book down, why hasnt this information been available to us before, with all the technology we have and all the scientists and research, why hasnt something like this been made more available, i just love the book and thank you so much for putting me onto the right path, i will be in contact with you both as soon as i have the results back. What do you feel about pre packaged feeds for horses if the produce was grown on depleted soils then the end product would be defecient to unless they add the minerals and vitamins to the product, im going to have my pellets i feed to the pregnant mares tested as they state to adhere to the packet and not add any extras, but i feel this has not really benefited the horses as i fed my mare to the letter and the foal was still born with contracted tendons, supposedly a vit A and D deficiency however i corrected it within 2 days by feeding the mare a dose of cod liver oil in her feed for a few days and according to the manufacturers instructions on the feed packet if fed accordingly the feed would supply everything the pregnant mare needed and her growing foal the feed is called Mitavite Breeder and supposedly manufactured for breeding and young growing horses, but it didnt deliver as far as i am conerned. Any thoughts on that ? I guess ultimately when i get the soil right everything else will fall into place but i still have to feed them and make sure they are getting what they need in the interem of fixing my soil, i feel its a a bit of a conspiracy by the big manufacturers of horse feed that we need their product if our animals are to receive all they need and when information out there is so conflicting or cofusing or down right wrong what does a person do ? A lot of mis informed people out there doing what they think is right but in actuality could be doing the most harm. Im off to read some more of my book, talk again soon and thanks once again for all the help. Amanda

Barb Lee

Good heavens, Michael, why didn't I think of that?? I am reminded of an acquaintance in Washington state whose brother is constantly battling a copper crisis with his stock because the land is too high in molybdenum. Amanda, can you get a forage analysis done? Hay and or fresh forage - whatever the animals are eating. If you can't find a good private lab, agricultural universities can usually do this for you. If I am not mistaken, "wet chemistry" provides the most accurate information. You will have a selection of options to test for. Be certain the test includes the following: Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Potassium, Sodium, Iron, Zinc, Copper Manganese, Molybdenum, Sulphur and Selenium. If available, definitely test for Boron.
Of these, you will likely have to pay extra for selenium, sulphur and boron. Selenium is necessary to life, but is toxic above 2 parts per million in the feed. Sulphur and molybdenum, even calcium and iron, affect copper. Sulphur is necessary to the fabrication of quality protein. Boron has no established daily nutritional requirement, but is vital to bone deposition, calcium and magnesium metabolism, hormone balance, and insulin metabolism. Healthy forages contain about 10-30 ppm, which is dependent on species, but you can bet those are also healthy levels for horses. You can also test for nitrates and aluminum. This could give us an immediate snapshot of what your animals are ingesting. Amanda, I would also have the water tested for mineral content and heavy metals. I wonder if this is why your new farm was for sale in the first place...

Barb

Michael Astera

Hi Barb and Amanda-

Barb sent me the link to these comments and I read them with great interest. I'm guessing from the severe symptoms the animals are exhibiting that there is more than a deficiency or imbalance of soil minerals at cause. Mineral toxicity seems likely. As a example, in the western US some soils have rather high concentrations of Selenium, and when certain legumes grow in these soils they concentrate the Selenium. Horses that graze those areas get an overdose of Se and act crazy. And thus the common name for those Selenium concentrating legumes, locoweed.

I'm also thinking about some other plants in the clover family that have often been used to increase forage yields on worn-out soils. A soil that will no longer grow red clover will still grow lucerne, and a soil that will no longer grow lucerne will grow lespedeza. Growers trying to achieve higher yields have switched to crops able to survive on starved soils with little knowledge or concern for the nutrient content of the resulting hay or forage.

I'd suggest doing a plant survey of the most common pasture species on this place, and perhaps finding out if you can which were introduced by the previous owners. And then seeing what you can find out about any problems with feeding those species. The little reading I just did about Lotus Major seemed to indicate that it was planted to attempt to get forage to grow on depleted acid soils.

I also seem to recall that some legumes can form toxic amounts of cyanide.

The soil test will tell a lot.

Michael A

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